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Review of Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru

SubjectUmineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru
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casparin on 2022-11-10
Review"Answers arc is a pretty big name for the game that doesn't give any answers"

Yeah.

That's about it.

It's not a mystery game anymore, it's just an anime/cliche/magic fighting novel with lack of common sense.

In fact, even "The witch is the culprit, and magic is real" is a better answer than this game gives.
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#1 by misternice
2022-11-10 at 18:37
< report >Welp, I guess this convinves me not to touch this visual novel any time soon as well as others Ryokishi07 games, excluding maybe the new silent hill game to which he writes the script currently and that's because I simply didn't get any silent hill game lately.

Fun fact: apparently japanese audience absolutely hated umineko answer arc as well
#2 by lixaxil2
2022-11-13 at 08:36
< report >this person's heavily exaggerating. The amount of "anime" scenes are only 10% of each episode (I've counted) at most, you should give it a try and see if you actually like it yourself. The japanese audience didn't like it because episode 8 made fun of readers that only looked at red text and what do you know. The 90% shut in single male japanese audience was only looking at the red text. This game gives highly satisfactory answers so long as you pay attention.
#3 by casparin
2022-11-14 at 01:45
< report >#2 Yes, I'm exaggerating, but not as much as you described, the game didn't give me any of the answers that I and most people wanted to get(i don't care about Beatrice personality at all i wanna answers to mysteries! Good answers!). And I wanted to get detailed descriptions of every murder/every strange thing, how it all really happened, so that everything suddenly mattered, but instead of answers, I got only a d/ck in my mouth, namely,
Everything you saw is complete bullshit, and the truth of it is only 5%, we fucked you so haha, the killer is these two dudes, who is actually one dude, how the murders took place in 1,2,4 games you will guess for yourself, and then let me show you the miserable anime battles for the remaining ten hours.


And it's not even that the game does not give answers, but that the game itself does not exist in the game - almost everything we saw did not exist. How can I build any hypotheses if I rely on initially false data?

So there no answers because there is no questions.

It's like a ask you @How old are you@ and then HAHA GOT IT not @How old are you@ but@ how old am i@ and then again HAHA GOT IT #2 I don't really exist, just like my question. Cool answer right?Last modified on 2022-11-14 at 01:53
#4 by lixaxil2
2022-11-14 at 09:06
< report >We know it doesn't exist from the very beginning when the first episode is revealed to be a message in a bottle written by "Maria" in the episode 1 credits. If you pay attention, by episode 4 you should have a concrete idea of what is going on in the narrative. I think it's possible you missed the intention of the work. Which, let me add, isn't wrong and it doesn't mean Umineko is "160+ iq only too smart4u", one of the things I find to be an issue is how Ryukishi writes Umineko in a way that if you don't pick up all the clues and subtext you are left in the fucking dust and personally it hampered my enjoyment in some moments, namely episode 6.Last modified on 2022-11-15 at 00:10
#5 by lixaxil2
2022-11-14 at 09:08
< report >.Last modified on 2022-11-14 at 09:23
#6 by lixaxil2
2022-11-14 at 09:21
< report >Also worth mentioning that episode 1-4 isn't about whether it exists or not, it's the game Beatrice created for Battler to find the culprit. Episode 5 suggests to go back and solve before moving on, if you go back and work to solve episode 1-4 then there are your answers. Episode 7's sequence with Will is purposefully cryptic for those who haven't tried to solve the closed rooms but for those who have it's painfully obvious what he means and it confirms their theories. The culprit is also revealed in a pretty obvious way in episode 7, the whole point was that the culprit not being directly revealed allows for the existence of different interpretations (since the ethics of interpretation are such a key idea of the work). It's not about whether the data is false or true, the whole point of 1-4 is a puzzle that allows you to find the culprit. 5,6,7,8 are an entirely different beast that tackle different subjects regarding Yasu or Rokkenjima. If you look at Umineko as a puzzle box, that's simply not the writer's intention and the story will never work for you.Last modified on 2022-11-14 at 09:28
#7 by casparin
2022-11-14 at 23:32
< report >I'm sorry, of course, but I call this story - shit. Yes, there elite highly intelligent 160 iq people will smear themselves with this story, saying how clever it is, how brilliant, but in fact the story is shit. And no, I perfectly understand everything that this game is trying to show us, like a theme with the fact that everything that Butler doesn't see is a potential lie, it's interesting, it would also be interesting to look for lies in the truth(like that the Kinzo is actually dead so Natsuki Lies, and so on. But the problem is that there is no truth at all. Everything I was told was a lie, a witch's version of the world (which I don't give a shit about), I had a question I needed to answer it, and instead of giving an answer, they just removed the question. No matter how much you would like to explain it by the genius of the game, the story will not stop being shit from this.
#8 by lixaxil2
2022-11-15 at 00:05
< report >Did you read my response? You should have known all of this information by pre answer arcs, these aren't big revelations in the ending.
#9 by lixaxil2
2022-11-15 at 00:07
< report >And once again every single answer lies in episode 1-4, the story told you to actually solve it in episode 5. If you didn't follow what the author tells you to do then it's not their fault the story didn't work for you.
#10 by lixaxil2
2022-11-15 at 00:10
< report >Since it seems you didn't read this the first time I"m going to repost it We know it doesn't exist from the very beginning when the first episode is revealed to be a message in a bottle written by "Maria" in the episode 1 credits. If you pay attention, by episode 4 you should have a concrete idea of what is going on in the narrative. I think it's possible you missed the intention of the work. Which, let me add, isn't wrong and it doesn't mean Umineko is "160+ iq only too smart4u", one of the things I find to be an issue is how Ryukishi writes Umineko in a way that if you don't pick up all the clues and subtext you are left in the fucking dust and personally it hampered my enjoyment in some moments, namely episode 6.
#11 by lixaxil2
2022-11-15 at 00:11
< report >the very first episode reveals this information to you, if you thought it was real until the ending or even the answer arcs you didn't pay close enough attention
#12 by casparin
2022-11-15 at 20:42
< report >I read your message for the second time, now try to read mine, the story will remain shit, regardless of what excuses you find for the authors, why we all have to figure it out ourselves and why we ourselves were made clear. The answer is no. They didn't let me know that! Whatever super duper mega non-obvious things happen, floating bottles with the name Maria, etc., anime battle, the answer is still the same - no. I realized that I was being f/cked like this in the middle of the second episode, and the fact that I was f/cked all the time(that's the issue, i can handle being f/cked sometimes but not all the times) only at the beginning of answer's arc.

And even though the games are imaginary, I still need answers, because these imaginary non-existent games are everything that happened in the first 4 episodes.

Nothing happens in the game according to the canon. They showed us some hypothetical killer search games, showed us anime battles, didn't explain a damn thing, and finished the game.

Personally, I was wondering where the red paint on Natsuki's door came from at the beginning of game 1.

So if you're going to say again like "Answers were not needed", "You have to guess everything yourself", then you can even not answer further, we won't come anywhere.
#13 by lixaxil2
2022-11-16 at 05:01
< report >Its not guessing, the game gives you the tools to pretty easily find out what happened in 1-4. Your answers get confirmed if it fits within those tools (aka red truth and Knox Decalogue literally all you need, it isn't guessing because only one answer can fit within these two). The reason it can't show answers is because it would be thematically inconsistent, if the answers are shown then the witch loses. If the witch loses then the catbox is gone and the idea of interpretation is gone along with it. Also if you really want answers and refuse to find it yourself with tools that allow you to find out the answers quite easily, you can go read the manga. The author made the manga for anyone who doesn't want to solve the mystery and just wants answers, the 7th episode of the manga tells you everything.