Review of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
|Subject||Higurashi no Naku Koro ni|
|By||Vote: 7tertyyy on 2020-10-17|
|Review||It's hard to review just the Question Arcs especially for me as I am not the biggest fan of horror so I can't say I enjoyed those aspects even if they were well written. That said, there are many great aspects to this half of Higurashi. It covers a lot of interesting topics and presents an extremely interesting mystery. That is this half's greatest strength, its setup, but because of that it is hard to rate highly on its own.|
|#1 by hansfranz77|
2020-10-17 at 12:29
|< report >I'm done with the question arcs now. And i really start to wonder if you guys (as in most folks recommending this utter drivel all the time) played something else then me?|
Not to piss all over your cornflakes, but this thing is the furthest form "well written" i might have ever played or even seen. (I need to think about that once i'm finally done with everything.)
I have no idea how this series got the great standing it has these days in the west. But despite its age this is "modern writing" as in plot driven writing of the worst possible kind in a nutshell. There is nothing too stupid or over the top to pull out of left field, in favor of the all encompassing "plot" for this thing. With no setup, believability or rationallity on any end. Even if the plot involves the protag going utterly mental and killing somone with a baseball bat - just to convinietly end up in a paralell world, in which the whole thing doesn't matter anymore. Who the fuck can take this seriously?!
Its like a child making shit up on a playground so he doesn't have to lose, or in this case the mc either getting killed or ending in jail for his insanity. The childish story part is very fitting, considering the original character art.
Nobody in this game seems to be able to think for even a second like a normal logical human being. And when they try to do, so - on very rare occasions (mostly rena) the game acts like its impossible anyways. To force the story so far off the rails again you start to wonder how this shit got ever put into a vn to begin with? Let alone something as highly rated as this one apparently is?! As an example i can name chapter 3 with a possible adoption of satoko by the family of the protag (which would've solved the whole chapter right form very early on, btw).
As a result it's shortly after the first chapter you start to notice the writers either having no idea what they're doing and not bothering explaining anything, or just not giving a fuck at all. Whatever it may be, it does not help with suspesion of disbelief. Especially if you have a kinetic novel structure and one of the most braindead, protags i have ever seen.
He might be even mentally and emotionally deficient, to the point where you sometimes wonder if he had been suffering form stockholm syndrome (which btw the game gives no indication to, what so ever at the point in the story he acts this way) and states "how he hurt his best friend a (known serial killer by him at that point) so bad, (by not giving her a damn doll as a persent), he might as well killed the ones she tortured and butcherd himself." It's just crazy. Maybe he even is insane at the very end? It would fit this transparent bullshit wirting like a glove! Thus you can only watch this ideotic spectacle unfold as you are unable to do anything about it.
Hell some hentai have protags or characters that are more capable to think about their- and more importantly the actions of others, compared to this guy. I only wait for the moment chapter 4 pulls some rape or pedo shit for real this time..
Edited (after being done with chapter 4 granted this did not happen yet, but the point still stands, because this is just the type of "easy shock value writing" the whole game is written as). It would just fit in with all the insane nonsense and if they try to check boxes those just might be the last things that are "missing" still to get the highest "shocking your audience score". This is the kind of crap "plot driven writing" those hacks pull out of their asses, all the time. If they follow through on upping the ante, they would at least be one time consistent. What they're doing is as transparent as water after a few hours, shockingly so.
I wasted so much time on this thing hoping it would finally get better and aside form some parts in chapter 3 with satoko's story which were greatly undermined, by her aparently being able to get alc and cigs, by herself in the convinience store god knows how far away - on a bike. And of course coach and keiichi acting like the bruises all over her body are nothing they could act upon. The most hilarious thing about that one was the later revelation of coach being the village doctor himself. Give me a damn break game! o.O There is nothing here! This whole game and very likely the next parts as well live(s) and die(s) on the stupidity, irrationality and craziness of everyone in this world - especially the main protagonist, keiichi. There is no explanation given how a boy, that is suposeldy only there a month, a bit over a month, a bit over two months... (depending how the game feels like it. No joke i saw three diffrent indications for that given by him in chapter 3 alone) can be this off the rocker already. Let alone acts like he somehow was not fully developed in the brain an emotional department. Once you realize, that everbody in this game is just doing whatever to "shock" and "surprise" you and there is no sane individual you can anchor yourself with. You do not give a fuck anymore what is happening, or will hapen.
Tldr: This is all a big clown show and not worth the time it's asking from you and which seems to have the premise of shock your audience! With every cheap trick you could possibly imagine. There is no consistincy to the action, the characters or even the plot itself. Its all random shit just happening all the time. I'ts a broken world and game filled with broken wirting at that point. Nothing in it makes any damn sense. A Story is predicated on it being able to immerse the player / reader into its world. This thing is not able to do so after a few hours, anymore. Because everything can or can not happen all the time, with no consistency to any of it, let alone rhyme or reason as to why it happens or don't.
I can not wait until the very end and they might pull the "protag was crazy all along!11 It was all in his head! Got ya! "twist" . This seems to be exactly the kind of "writing talent" those dudes are having. Its a farce.
Edited this one and consider it now my question arc higurashi review, thanks for taking the time reading it!Last modified on 2020-10-24 at 00:19
|#2 by tertyyy|
2020-10-17 at 18:25
|< report >I think you should give the Answer Arcs a shot as they address a lot of your issues with the first half. This doesn't necessarily mean it will change your mind or that you will like the explanations you are given but I think you should give it a shot before making a final judgement on Higurashi.|
|#3 by hansfranz77|
2020-10-18 at 00:25
|< report >Believe me i will. But i didn't put half and half in two seperate games. So this one was only a rant over the 3 and a bit chapters i played as of yet and wasted far too much time and energy on... |
Which is why i will take a longer break after 4 is over and done with.
|#4 by behappyeveryday|
2020-10-21 at 06:22
|< report >I've read your whole review and I can't see any arguments there, as if things you claim should be obvious, but they are really not. If your inability to understand something because it wasn't explained (yet) makes it "terrible writing" to you then I'm not sure what you think of as "great writing" then, I mean, you rated freaking Katawa Shoujo as 8,5 even though it is one of the worst written popular visual novels out there. This is the whole point of mystery/detective stories - to tell you a story you can't understand and then to explain it in a simple and clever way, something that Higurashi did perfectly. Everything in the Questions Arc is perfectly logical and explained later. This IS a story about people going crazy, so why the hell you are complaining about this? Just lol. Also, you aren't really as clever as you think you are if you still have no clue at what is really going on in the story, many readers would be able to vaguely understand why characters act this way after completing the 4th chapter.|
with satoko's story which were greatly undermined, by her apparently being able to get alc and cigs, by herself in the convinience store on a bike Is a joke. It seems you know nothing about countryside, lol. In fact, in my country (Russia), my classmates bought cigs when they were about 9-11-year-old without any problem even if we live in city. If you are surprised that a kid can buy cigs and alco in countryside then you are reaaaaly far away from reality. Or you live in a country where this is strictly regulated, but I doubt that even there people in the countryside give a fuck because there is no one to punish them for selling adult products to kids. It is even more the case if they know that the kid is just on errand from adults.Last modified on 2020-10-21 at 06:23
|#5 by hansfranz77|
2020-10-23 at 20:12
|< report >"It seems you know nothing about countryside, lol. In fact, in my country (Russia), my classmates bought cigs when they were about 9-11-year-old without any problem even if we live in city. If you are surprised that a kid can buy cigs and alco in countryside then you are reaaaaly far away from reality. Or you live in a country where this is strictly regulated, but I doubt that even there people in the countryside give a fuck because there is no one to punish them for selling adult products to kids. It is even more the case if they know that the kid is just on errand from adults."|
Even if i give you the benefit of the doubt and generously call this a defence in favor of the game. It still needs to be established in said game - it was not. So case closed. Well now i'm done with the first half and i rated it half the score you did, isn't that funny? I for one love the irony in you giving it a 9, ngl.
Edit: "I mean, you rated freaking Katawa Shoujo as 8,5 even though it is one of the worst written popular visual novels out there. "
Are you serious on this? I mean the plot writing surely is not amazing (hence its not a 10), but it teaches you something! Its far more valuable than many stories that are out there in the way it makes you sympathize with nearly every human being in it. If anything higurashi did the opposite for me. And i do not value wasting over 100 hours for shit like this at all. That is why crap like this will get a bad rating form me every time of the day over katawa shoujo, or hell any simple slice of life vn with good character writing in it really.
"This is the whole point of mystery/detective stories - to tell you a story you can't understand and then to explain it in a simple and clever way, something that Higurashi did perfectly."
I don't think so, at all actually. I'ts an incoherent mess that is not even sure if it fits into a "single story" (multiple timeline stuff and so on) itself and does shit all explaining, is what it is. As of the end of chapter 4. In fact lets just get right to it and call the positives i saw as of yet in favor of higurashi outright. There was "atmosphere" very often i also saw "it surprises me and is never boring". I didn't see somone even once praise the plot, the story or the damn characters themselves. As in this thing seems not very highly regarded for the core elements a good story usually has.
You seem to equate "complex" and "twist filled" writing with "good writing" and also confuse character writing and plot writing.
I take believable characters anytime over a twist filled just plot driven story. I tell you that much! Especially if the plot turns out to be utter garbage like in this thing here at the halfway mark already.
You have to ask yourself how much of a whole story as in, book, game, movie or any media are you willing to overlook for being ok or even bad before you start wondering. Is it even worth it?
Higurashi, for me at the very least wants far too much of my time and does way to little to justify it, in fact it seems to be quite possible it wants to drown you in (useless) information. and i'm not willing to overlook this fact at this point anymore. I see this so often these days it doesn't even surprise me anymore. But it only makes me more angry at how many shitty stories are out there and folks fall for, these days. I recommended the muv luv games (which take a similar time investment and compared to this it pays off in spades) on my attempt at a steam review (their review word filter seems to be an utter nightmare) and also linked to this rant. As far as i'm concerned that will be it for me with the question arcs.Last modified on 2020-10-24 at 00:26
|#6 by behappyeveryday|
2020-10-25 at 09:22
|< report >@5 I'm not sure why something like this should be "establiished" because it is probably just common sense for Japanese people.|
Also, most people read stories not to learn anything, but to experience unusual emotions, the ones they can't easily experience IRL. Even if those emotions are the negative ones.
For me it seems you just can't enjoy or understand mystery/detective genre as a whole. Because complex plot with plot-twists which is hard to figure out until things are explained in a clever way is exactly the definition of a great plot for this type of story. The characters in Higurashi aren't exactly amazing or too complex, but what the hell you expect, they are just ordinary teenagers put into not so ordinary circumstances. At the very least their friendship is believable and touching, comedy elements of the story are enjoyable as well.
Your whole argument, "I can't understand anything, so this is shit" is really childish. This is the whole point of "multiple route mystery" and the whole reason why people enjoy it. I'm afraid to read your review about Ever17 if you ever decide to read it, lol.
|#7 by hansfranz77|
2020-10-26 at 10:21
|< report >I honestly have no idea what to tell you at this point. It should be very obvious i made the second post as a means of getting a discussion going and maybe even learn a perspective on the game others had that would put it in a new light. |
But lets be honest this is a stalemate of me making points and you refuse to accept any of them putting your fingers in your ears and just refuse to discuss anything.
This is a waste of both our time and i will stop at this point. If you have any points maybe we can keep this going in the future... in the meantime i will ignore this thread.Last modified on 2020-10-26 at 10:23